People against Vaccines

[(=DK=)Samonuh]

I love how you all act like you know more than people who have spent their lives dedicated to researching and formulating these vaccines.

[Duel of Fates]

I love how you all act like you know more than people who have spent their lives dedicated to researching and formulating these vaccines.

And I love how some people put their trust in those only seeking profit, consequences be dammed. If they are going to force people to drink the "kool aid", should one not have the right to inquire what exactly is in the "kool aid" first?

[NiteRunner81]

I love how you all act like you know more than people who have spent their lives dedicated to researching and formulating these vaccines.

And I love how some people put their trust in those only seeking profit, consequences be dammed. If they are going to force people to drink the "kool aid", should one not have the right to inquire what exactly is in the "kool aid" first?

And I love it when some spoiled rotten brat (who doesn't have kids) can throw verbal rocks at those of us with kids. Who the heck made you judge and jury?? Why do you think you have the right to call us out when you don't even deal with the responsibilities that us have. Eat a rotten turd!!!

Duel is right... In the first month of my son's life I made a decision for him that I did not have the right to make and he's PAINFULLY paying for the consequences now. I chose, out of ignorance at the time, to have my son circumcised. Well, the rotten pediatrician botched it and he grew adhesions. Adhesions he recently tore open cause he's a boy... little boys play with themselves.. I had the right to keep him intact, and I tell yah I am NEVER doing anything to one of my children again or making another decision for them without researching it ad litem. And to high heavens I will not tolerate some spoiled rotten punk try to belittle me for it.. kick bricks, Samonuh!

[[m'kay]]

Well I mean the real reason you shouldn't circumcise your kids is because it makes sex suck, but that's fine too I guess.

[haasd0gg]

Well I mean the real reason you shouldn't circumcise your kids is because it makes sex suck, but that's fine too I guess.

My sex sucks so bad, I made 4 (?) kids...

[[m'kay]]

That's just your manly spirit compensating, Haas. Removing the foreskin makes you feel way less pleasure during sex though, so imagine the [poo] you got now but like 5 times better and bam, don't circumcise your kids.

[NiteRunner81]

Narg,

Your post is one of the many reasons I regret it....

The following video is posted in a spoilered link due to its content and its NSFW... narg, you might like this:

Spoiler: show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjVlTIL49c

[(SWGO)Minas_Thirith]

It's ironic, how me and my sister had a conversation about this about 2 hours ago, about her being against vaccines for this reason.
Especially after seeing the results of a friend's son being paralysed for life because of this.

Vaccines are diffrent from what people believe they are, they are in fact the disease, but in a very small quantity which doesn't, or better said shouldn't affect your body negativly, however your body does start the antibody production to counter them so when you do get the disease your body already has the necesary antibodies to counter it.
IDK, i always think, before we got by without these things, why do we need them in the first place?

I've seen doctors "recomending" artificial milk over mothermilk....

Anyhow's

MT

[[m'kay]]

Vaccines are diffrent from what people believe they are, they are in fact the disease, but in a very small quantity which doesn't, or better said shouldn't affect your body negativly, however your body does start the antibody production to counter them so when you do get the disease your body already has the necesary antibodies to counter it.

IDK, i always think, before we got by without these things, why do we need them in the first place?

Uh, that's exactly what everyone I know thinks a vaccine is. And yeah, sure - we "got by" without vaccines. Polio? Pfft, not an issue whatsoever. Smallpox? Nothing but baby [poo], no problem. The reason people used to have so many [m'kay] kids was because children had a really strong tendency to die of illnesses early on in their lives, when their immune systems weren't strong enough to fight them off. You really need to stop putting your two cents in on issues that you haven't done any research on, especially without even being able to draw from personal experience. And for real, who doesn't know what a vaccine is? I'm pretty sure I actually, honestly learned that in second grade, with a cute little cartoon and everything.

[Yanoda]

The benefits of Vaccines vastly out weight the negatives.

My husband, my son, and I are fully vaccinated, and we have had no ill effects... The problem I'm having is vaccines that I was offered during the high school years (Hep B) which were optional to a teenager are now being given in the hospital after birth. The amount of vaccines required has nearly tripled since 1984. The amount given at one time and the new "combined" vaccines are what worries me.

The reason for having the vaccinations earlier is due to the risk factor of the children getting the disease before they get the vaccine. Infants that were recently born, have antibodies from the mother for a few months after birth, keeping them relatively safe from diseases. After that, they are vulnerable and many of the diseases (Hepatitis B, Polio, Tetanus etc.) can cause death if the child is not strong enough to fight the diseases. This is why they recommend early and diverse vaccinations. Combined Vaccinations have been used since the 40s in the US, so they are not new as you assume.

Dr. Sears recommends you delay and only vaccinate in certain combinations to avoid the overload of aluminum and formaldehyde that is used as preservatives. Mercury is NO LONGER in routine childhood vaccines. It is still in some of the flu shots, but its easy to ask for a mercury free single dose vaccine.

I do not hold Dr. Sears in high regard as his practices aren't recommended in the scientific & Medical Community. Here's a bit on it http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/cas ... -dr-sears/
Study showing that the levels of substances such as Aluminium and Formaldehyde are harmless on the basis of exposure studies. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... /1394.full
The most common exposure to aluminum from eating food (additives) and cosmetics.
Having an over exposure in formaldehyde with vaccines is very unlikely (if at all). http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-edu ... ehyde.html

The way vaccines work is by using inactive or killed, viruses or bacteria to stimulate the immune system in thinking it has been infected. This allows the immune system to build up defenses against the disease without the harmful effects to prepare for the real deal. Getting slightly sick from a flu vaccine (or any vaccine for that er) is expected since the body is reacting to the invader. http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4603135_flu-shot-work.html
Furthermore, the flu virus evolves very quickly - so researchers have to make the best available guess which strain will become dominant in the season to then develop the vaccines. Hence why we have instance of the vaccines not working - the virus just evolved differently than expected. A bit of research instead of just going by 'common sense' (which can be detrimental in some cases concerning these issues) can clarify many things and avoid complications as best as possible.

And I love it when some spoiled rotten brat (who doesn't have kids) can throw verbal rocks at those of us with kids. Who the heck made you judge and jury?? Why do you think you have the right to call us out when you don't even deal with the responsibilities that us have. Eat a rotten turd!!!

There is no need to use insults just because you disagree with what Samonuh said, frankly I have to partially agree with Samonuh there. Read points I mentioned above as an example.
Also, he did not refer to those with children, just in general from what I gathered.
Those who work, research and create vaccines take more responsibilities since their work will affect many lives. In this case, they should have more of a say based on your argument (and support Samonuh's argument).

Duel is right... In the first month of my son's life I made a decision for him that I did not have the right to make and he's PAINFULLY paying for the consequences now. I chose, out of ignorance at the time, to have my son circumcised. Well, the rotten pediatrician botched it and he grew adhesions. Adhesions he recently tore open cause he's a boy... little boys play with themselves.. I had the right to keep him intact, and I tell yah I am NEVER doing anything to one of my children again or making another decision for them without researching it ad litem. And to high heavens I will not tolerate some spoiled rotten punk try to belittle me for it.. kick bricks, Samonuh!

Circumcision was originally a religious practice and it is only recommended in the scientific field if the fore-skin cause complications (which is very rarely).
This is an example where parents can make the wrong decisions for their children, even if they do so out of good intentions. It is good to hear that you learned from this, and I feel sorry for what you and your son had to go through.
Concerning your last sentence, you seem to take Samonuh's comment too personal. He pointed out a valid point (people thinking they know better than the scientists, researchers etc.), then having people who make the wrong decisions and suffer the consequences attack him for being a "Spoiled Rotten Punk." I'm sorry, but I see no logic in this. Maybe you can explain it? If not, I would say an apology would be in order.

It's ironic, how me and my sister had a conversation about this about 2 hours ago, about her being against vaccines for this reason.
Especially after seeing the results of a friend's son being paralysed for life because of this.

Was there a direct connection with the vaccine? Was is connected to the Polio incident that occurred in India?

IDK, i always think, before we got by without these things, why do we need them in the first place?

Before vaccines, the mortality rate was considerably higher when one was afflicted. Sure we got by, but many did not make it. I would say that vaccines have substantially helped prevent deaths from such diseases. That should be enough for a reason to support vaccines.