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Re: Obamacare

Postby (SWGO)Kren » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:46 pm

-)G(-Sawyer wrote:Our NHS is always abused by people who don't pay and that's a strain on it and all tax payers. But given the choice I would rather that continue and still be giving the help we can, and that's what I think is civilized.


As Sawyer has mentioned we come from a society that through our NHS provides health care to everyone, this is the civilised aspect in terms of being humane i.e. there is no discrimination to the disadvantaged members of our society as the recieve equal treatment. Whilst we in the UK might not have the best health care it's not the worst and it works.

The principles of the NHS are as follows:

•that it meet the needs of everyone
•that it be free at the point of delivery
•that it be based on clinical need, not ability to pay

The above is taken from this website and being around for 60 years it is now well established within the UK:

http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/abo ... iples.aspx

So we have had 60 years to refine our Health care whereas Obamacare is the introduction of your form of heath care it into the US now. I am not sure if it will achieve what are NHS has provided to the UK. The USA have historically used the private sector, health insurance is via employers, people insuring themselves or not having an insurance. So we are historically quite different on our health care paths. If you look at the bloomberg list of most efficient health care systems you can see for yourself who ranks top and bottom:

http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/be ... -countries

Will Obamacare work, will it improve health care, who knows given its relative infancy. The size of the task ahead of you is large which makes it appear an impossible goal to achieve.

Making change is difficult as Charles Darwin once quoted:

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.

...or to end on a lighter note, famous Yoda quotes :jawd:



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Re: Obamacare

Postby haasd0gg » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:52 am

Say what you like about our great nation or what's wrong with it. As long as we keep our 3 core ideals, everything else will work out.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby (SWGO)DesertEagle » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:47 am

-)G(-Sawyer wrote:I think its a product of were you come from and what seems normal. First off for me there is no insurance, only health care and I just cant sit back and see people in my country go untreated just because they are short of money or don't have insurance. We have a system of care so lets use it, it's not perfect by a long shot. Life, health and well being are more important then some insurance policy or company.

Our NHS is always abused by people who don't pay and that's a strain on it and all tax payers. But given the choice I would rather that continue and still be giving the help we can, and that's what I think is civilized.


We don't turn people away either, we just stick them with big bills. No hospital is going to refuse even the poorest person admission just because they lack money.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby Mandalore » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:50 am

Trading death for slavery.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby [NH]Shadow » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:25 pm

haasd0gg wrote:Say what you like about our great nation or what's wrong with it. As long as we keep our 3 core ideals, everything else will work out.
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Well, we're about to lose the first one...
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Re: Obamacare

Postby Son » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:03 pm

[NH]Shadow wrote:
haasd0gg wrote:Say what you like about our great nation or what's wrong with it. As long as we keep our 3 core ideals, everything else will work out.
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Well, we're about to lose the first one...
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I doubt they will be able to take our guns... They might be able to limit what we buy, but trying to take the ones owned would lead to a civil war.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby [NH]Shadow » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:08 pm

Even though I'm too your go own guns, I support the right to buy them and other weapons....since I can't carry a gun I carry knives, ranging from my 3 3/8 in. bladed switchblade, to my 7.5 in. bladed combat knife to my 18 in. blade machete....:jawd: ...well, you get the picture.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby (SWGO)Kren » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:43 pm

Son wrote:
[NH]Shadow wrote:
haasd0gg wrote:Say what you like about our great nation or what's wrong with it. As long as we keep our 3 core ideals, everything else will work out.
Guns
Beer
Boobies
:afro:

Well, we're about to lose the first one...
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I doubt they will be able to take our guns... They might be able to limit what we buy, but trying to take the ones owned would lead to a civil war.


You would not need to take away lethal guns just not sell them anymore and the ammo, instead go for less lethal guns:

* Paintball guns
* Pellet guns
* Starter Pistols
* Airsoft guns

At least with the above the constitution wont be impacted, i.e. the right to bear arms, win-win for everyone. :whistling: :lol:

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Re: Obamacare

Postby [NH]Shadow » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:50 pm

I might get a pellet gun, and then supercharge it to lethal speeds...I mean, I know how to...and it would sorta kick ass.
But, aback on topic, one of the best things about America is our right to :gun_bandana: :gunsmilie:
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Re: Obamacare

Postby MATTHEW'S_DAD » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Back on topic, I tried to log in again first thing this morning (6:30 EST) and the website is still down. This is the end of the 3rd week. Anyone have any positive experiences yet?
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