Obamacare

[Duel of Fates]

New liberal definition alert. Insurance canceled? No more. Now we will call it an insurance upgrade. Happy Thanksgiving all.

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

lol^

[Joker]

I was shopping the coverage plans being offered via Obamacare through the coveredcalifornia website not healthcare.gov (thank GOD!). While the insurance for a family of five of a single parent was cheaper (due to a govt subsidy of around $400), I was wondering where the govt was getting this $400 from? I understand why people support OC based on the early perception of it but I don't know how you live with yourself knowing what you are doing to hardworking families who are being forced to pay more. Personally, I could care less about the millions who refuse to work, take lousy care of themselves or don't mind going to free clinics for care.

[Col. Hstar]

I was shopping the coverage plans being offered via Obamacare through the coveredcalifornia website not healthcare.gov (thank GOD!). While the insurance for a family of five of a single parent was cheaper (due to a govt subsidy of around $400), I was wondering where the govt was getting this $400 from? I understand why people support OC based on the early perception of it but I don't know how you live with yourself knowing what you are doing to hardworking families who are being forced to pay more. Personally, I could care less about the millions who refuse to work, take lousy care of themselves or don't mind going to free clinics for care.

For the record being allowed a gov subsidy doesn't put a person in the category of "the millions who refuse to work, take lousy care of themselves or don't mind going to free clinics for care."

I work 50+ Hours a week between 2 jobs. So because one is flat-rate pay and the other is part time, I get no paid medical benifits. I pay a mortgage, and I pay all my taxes. I've never had health ins paid for me by my employer. I got a family plan rate through the flat rate shop but it took $1000 per month out of my pay. Last month my boss sends out a notice to all employees that ins cost are rising. Mine was set to go up to $1250 each month! Logged on to covered CA and starting Jan my new ins monthly payment is $800 per month for a plan thats slightly better. Of course there is lazy bozos out there who will be working the system for a free ride, most likely though, these are the same people who will go to a hospital, rack up a ton of fees and then not ever pay it, which raised health care costs even more. Either way honest people end up paying for it.

Also since I have Chron's Disease, a Pre-existing condition. Getting ins outside of the one provided by my job would have been out of the question before hand. (That's a genetic disease btw not a "take lousy care of themselves" disease) Now with the new law, I can get ins without having to settle with whatever plan my jobs chooses.

I'm not going to say one side or the other is right. I'm not comfortable with my health care being handled by politicians who can give and take away my health care depending on the latest change in the voting wind. But I'm also not ok leaving it up to a group of business men who see me as a dollar sign wondering what's the most money they can squeeze out of me. Like I said I pay my taxes each year, I know for a fact that the guys who run the company I work at can't say the same......

[MATTHEW'S_DAD]

Wow, it took 19 pages to hear a legit Obamacare success story. Thank you Hstar. In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I'll just leave it at that.

[Joker]

This "the millions who refuse to work, take lousy care of themselves or don't mind going to free clinics for care" was meant to target those specific people and really had nothing to do with OC. I was just ranting. I really get mad when people work the system and whine about not getting more in free government goodies.

[Joker]

Logged on to covered CA and starting Jan my new ins monthly payment is $800 per month for a plan thats slightly better.

How much is the subsidy if there is one? I'm really curious how that is being determined.

[CommanderOtto]

This "the millions who refuse to work, take lousy care of themselves or don't mind going to free clinics for care" was meant to target those specific people and really had nothing to do with OC. I was just ranting. I really get mad when people work the system and whine about not getting more in free government goodies.

all free government stuff should include some sort of penalty to force people to start working instead of just receiving free money. I remember I saw Rudy Giuliani explaining that when he became mayor there was like 1 million people in new york using government welfare. He said he created a rule where people who accepted government help would have to work for the government for 20 hours a week. That way, the money was not free and the quantity of people subsisting on government help dropped dramatically.

[Col. Hstar]

Logged on to covered CA and starting Jan my new ins monthly payment is $800 per month for a plan thats slightly better.

How much is the subsidy if there is one? I'm really curious how that is being determined.

I'm sure that's something you can research without me divulging my personal income amounts to all on the internet

My point was that the subsidy isn't whats bad. It's the decay of basic morality that people have. Until that's fixed, the greedy & lazy people will always figure out how to work the system, and honest people will always pay for it.

[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

all free government stuff should include some sort of penalty to force people to start working instead of just receiving free money. I remember I saw Rudy Giuliani explaining that when he became mayor there was like 1 million people in new york using government welfare. He said he created a rule where people who accepted government help would have to work for the government for 20 hours a week. That way, the money was not free and the quantity of people subsisting on government help dropped dramatically.

To be honest...that's terrifying. The notion that someone, in order to receive governmental benefits, be required to give something to society may sound appropriate, or even noble, to some, but it's the onset of tyranny. What you're talking about leads down a slippery-slope...if the government can mandate that people do something in return for help, they can easily stretch the requirements to include work aimed at achieving a partisan goal (instead of community service), and from there they can qualify recipients of aid as anyone who supports their efforts, and so on.

To give you a real-life example, Robert Mugabe maintains his dictatorial power by forcing anyone who receives governmental benefits to carry a card signifying membership in his political party.