Evolution & Creationism Debate at Museum

[Mandalore]

I'm not sure you actually know what science is...America is basically the only first world nation that doesn't have a majority who agree evolution is true...this might correspond with our terrible testing scores and extremely high religiosity

[(SWGO)DesertEagle]

I'm not sure you actually know what science is...America is basically the only first world nation that doesn't have a majority who agree evolution is true...this might correspond with our terrible testing scores and extremely high religiosity

We creationists "do science" like anyone else, we just disagree with evolutionists when it comes to origins.

Competition is good. We make you improve evolution by pointing out problems to fix and you point out problems with creationism so we have to fix it. You cannot come up with one bad reason to have creationism exist as a competing theory if you truly are confident in it.

You have nothing to lose, unless of course you feel your theory is weak, in which case you must eliminate the competition.

I would point to failure on the part of evolutionism to be convincing as the reason many Americans don't accept it. I've looked at the evidence both ways, and, taking into consideration my religious views, evolution is totally incompatible with them, while creationism is compatible and also explains the evidence we have today. I admittedly used to be a bit of a theistic evolutionist before I really looked at things seriously.

Pretty much the entire educational system from K-12 to graduate school is firmly entrenched in evolution. Educational/"news" shows push it constantly, etc etc etc. And still, there is a significant minority (including myself) that still doesn't buy it. That should tell you something about both our views and about evolution itself. Something is not selling.

To be fair, you can never "disprove" evolution or creationism as models. Make any valid criticism, and the models will just be adjusted to accomodate that.

just as a side note, I do not support the attempt of people to get schools to teach creationism. In the USA, the majority rules, and the majority wants to teach evolution, so let them. If you want your kids to learn something else, homeschool them or put them in a private school of your choosing. I refuse to impose my views on others, but I would like others to do the same. However, a view pretty must has to be taught, so might as well go with what the majority want.

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[[JOG]WorldFear]

Thank you Pepsi for posting that vid. Pretty much the most valid arguments for atheists.

[-)G(-Sawyer]

Thank you Pepsi for posting that vid. Pretty much the most valid arguments for atheists.

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Turns out I'm still at the default settings, may god have mercy on my whatever.

[Yanoda]

Here's a short basic questionnaire I've made.
All questions are to be answered by either yes or no. Just copy the questions/statements and put the answer next to them.
Please answer them as truthfully as possible. It is mostly aimed at those who support creationism, but those in the other end of the spectrum can also partake.
Once I got a few replies, I'll make an extended reply. The sooner I get replies, the faster I can address each point.

Are these well established sciences? (That there is enough evidence to support/validate the points below)
Kinetics of Matter (movement of gases & solids)
Nature of Matter (composition of er)
Radioactive Decay (where an unstable atom loses energy by emitting particles)
General Relativity (gravity as a geometric property of space and time)
The Big Bang (cosmological model for the early Universe)
Plate Tectonics (describes the large-scale motions of Earth's crust)
Genetics (Genes, heredity/inheritance and variation in organisms)
Thermodynamics (Entropy, Enthalpy & free energy)
Half-Life (decay of radioactive atoms)
Cells (structure, functions & properties)
Radiometric Dating (technique to date rocks using radioactive isotopes)
Germs & Diseases (diseases are caused by micro-organisms)
Creationism
Evolution

Would you say these Bibical-events or statements are true?
Adam & Eve existed (First Humans, their creation and subsequent expulsion from Eden)
Humans and Dinosaurs lived at the same time.
Noah's Flood Global (Water covered the entire Earth where every land based creature not in the Ark has died)
Noah's Flood Regional (Flood only occured within the region and not globally, water only covered the area)
Dinosaurs and humans both lived at the same time in the past.
All modern Humans are descendants of Noah and his family
Earth is about 10,000 - 6,000 years old.
Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Organisms (animals & humans) do not undergo changes in anyway.
Is God omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent etc.?

Cheers

[[NH]Shadow]

Are these well established sciences? (That there is enough evidence to support/validate the points below)
Kinetics of Matter (movement of gases & solids). Yes
Nature of Matter (composition of er). Yes
Radioactive Decay (where an unstable atom loses energy by emitting particles). Yes
General Relativity (gravity as a geometric property of space and time). Yes
The Big Bang (cosmological model for the early Universe). No
Plate Tectonics (describes the large-scale motions of Earth's crust). Yes
Genetics (Genes, heredity/inheritance and variation in organisms). Yes
Thermodynamics (Entropy, Enthalpy & free energy). Yes
Half-Life (decay of radioactive atoms). Yes
Cells (structure, functions & properties). Yes
Radiometric Dating (technique to date rocks using radioactive isotopes). No (unreliable)
Germs & Diseases (diseases are caused by micro-organisms). Yes
Creationism. Yes
Evolution. It is well established, but it's false (from my POV)

Would you say these Bibical-events or statements are true?
Adam & Eve existed (First Humans, their creation and subsequent expulsion from Eden). Yes
Humans and Dinosaurs lived at the same time. Yes
Noah's Flood Global (Water covered the entire Earth where every land based creature not in the Ark has died). Yes
Noah's Flood Regional (Flood only occured within the region and not globally, water only covered the area). No
Dinosaurs and humans both lived at the same time in the past. Yes
All modern Humans are descendants of Noah and his family. Yes
Earth is about 10,000 - 6,000 years old. Yes
Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. No
Organisms (animals & humans) do not undergo changes in anyway. No
Is God omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent etc.? Yes

Great questionare Yanny.

[CommanderOtto]

ummm Shadow, I don't think dinossaurs lived at the same time with humans. I have a biblical encyclopedia and go check what it says about it. And regarding the earth being 6000 years old... I personally believe that it is way older than that. Although the Bible says 7 days for creation, remember that a Day in the Bible often has the meaning of "period of time" and does not necessarily mean a literal day. So the Bible can still be right about the days and conform to science. Besides, I bet that a Day for God is much more than a day for us.

Homestar once made a good comment about that.

[[NH]Shadow]

ummm Shadow, I don't think dinossaurs lived at the same time with humans. I have a biblical encyclopedia and go check what it says about it. And regarding the earth being 6000 years old... I personally believe that it is way older than that. Although the Bible says 7 days for creation, remember that a Day in the Bible often has the meaning of "period of time" and does not necessarily mean a literal day. So the Bible can still be right about the days and conform to science. Besides, I am sure that a Day for God is much more than a day for us.

I tend to take the Bible at face value for things like this...and land animals and Man are both created on the same day (Day 6). According to the context of original text, it is believed to be a literal 7 days of creation (the 7th being for rest). And, if you can believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent God, how hard is it to believe that He spoke everything into existence in 6 literal days?

[CommanderOtto]

ummm Shadow, I don't think dinossaurs lived at the same time with humans. I have a biblical encyclopedia and go check what it says about it. And regarding the earth being 6000 years old... I personally believe that it is way older than that. Although the Bible says 7 days for creation, remember that a Day in the Bible often has the meaning of "period of time" and does not necessarily mean a literal day. So the Bible can still be right about the days and conform to science. Besides, I am sure that a Day for God is much more than a day for us.

I tend to take the Bible at face value for things like this...and land animals and Man are both created on the same day (Day 6). According to the context of original text, it is believed to be a literal 7 days of creation (the 7th being for rest). And, if you can believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent God, how hard is it to believe that He spoke everything into existence in 6 literal days?

You are right that God can do it in 6 literal days, but the radiation does demonstrate that earth is older than 6000 years. Therefore, if the Bible has used the term Day in other passages, and not actually talking about 24 hours, then I suppose Genesis is using this same time of "day" that signifies thousands of years. Quote of Homestar:

The Bible frequently uses the term “day” to designate various periods of time. In some cases these periods are of an unspecified length.

If God created the laws of physics, then radiation is reliable. I guess that if he created the earth in 6 days (of unspecified length) and we have radiation to see that the earth is very old, then that means that God was talking about days not equal to 24 hours. Therefore, the Bible is accurate and still follows the laws of physics.