Attitudes toward engineer and dark class.

[Inspector Gadget]

The problem I have with Darkie glitching is that I hear the excuse that is used to level the field against op wookies. But the reality of it is that it's used on all factions...not just wookies. Then it makes darkies op over everyone else. Why can't the "glitchers" just be honest and man up...you need a glitch to win. Stop using the excuse about wookies.

Why can't the "bad" players be honest and man up and realize they suck at this game? Don't cry about Darkie. Learn how to do it!


Darkie tutorial video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLqoGvjDQTw

Why can't the "noobs" who come here be honest and learn their place? (E.G, not insulting players who are 5x better than they are). Learn how to be silent!


Learning your place/Being Silent tutorial: http://youtu.be/SU_RHpAEDWQ

Shadow, you're [m'kay] awful at Swbf2.

[[NH]Shadow]

Why can't the "bad" players be honest and man up and realize they suck at this game? Don't cry about Darkie. Learn how to do it!


Darkie tutorial video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLqoGvjDQTw

Why can't the "noobs" who come here be honest and learn their place? (E.G, not insulting players who are 5x better than they are). Learn how to be silent!


Learning your place/Being Silent tutorial: http://youtu.be/SU_RHpAEDWQ

Shadow, you're [m'kay] awful at Swbf2.

It's true. But I don't see how it's relevant. Keep in mind, I hardly play. And I don't play competitively. I'm that guy on your team that says "well, even though we lost, I still had fun".
P.S. how do you know whether I'm good at BF2 or not....I've never played with you before.

[Hannibal]

The problem I have with Darkie glitching is that I hear the excuse that is used to level the field against op wookies. But the reality of it is that it's used on all factions...not just wookies. Then it makes darkies op over everyone else. Why can't the "glitchers" just be honest and man up...you need a glitch to win. Stop using the excuse about wookies.

Just because I use a glitch to win sometimes does not mean that I NEED a glitch to win, that's an important distinction. It's fun to fly around double shocking everyone sometimes. I still play plenty of sniper/wookie. But again, sometimes it's just fun to dtg, and there are plenty of players who can more than handle it and shoot me out of the sky over and over again. Also I know you're not legit harassing me with the det comments and whatever

Darkies are a high risk, high reward offense. They are one shottable by almost every class and even a trooper can take them down in two seconds. They are even less effective on large numbered public servers just because of the sheer amount of fire being spread around. The Wookiee is by far the most powerful class in the game. The dark trooper has direct counters both in close ranges and long ranges. Most maps favor the rebels as there are enough control points with cover to neutralize dark troopers. The wookiee wraps up a shotgun, sniper rifle, mortar launcher, the largest grenade load, and the best spawn killing item in the game into one character along with the most health. Darkie starts to neutralize this. Four wookiees is nearly unstoppable, or a mix of wooks and engis.

You sum this up very nicely. To be fair using dtg on SWGO servers isn't exactly need-based. I'm not fighing 1+ highly skilled wookies. So I'll concede that point to Panama. I don't need to do it, but it's still fun as Hell.

I don't complain about any class at all. Play what you like and allow others to play. Period. The supposed "darkie glitch" is programmed in the game that way. The sniper is programmed its own way. So on, and so on. Get over your personal biases and play whatever character you like. I'll still snipe you with my rocket.

Most sensible point yet.

[11_Panama_]

A cheat is a cheat anyway you look at it. Just stop making excuses. Not directed at you only Hanny.

[haasd0gg]

Shadow, you're [m'kay] awful at Swbf2.

It's true. But I don't see how it's relevant. Keep in mind, I hardly play. And I don't play competitively. I'm that guy on your team that says "well, even though we lost, I still had fun".
P.S. how do you know whether I'm good at BF2 or not....I've never played with you before.

You can pick up your participation trophy at the front desk.

[Mandalore]

A cheat is a cheat anyway you look at it. Just stop making excuses. Not directed at you only Hanny.

You can barely play this game without doing something the developers never intended. The mechanics are so broken, most common gameplay mechanics seem to be things never intended such as "throwing" mines and det packs. In all games, and ESPECIALLY this game, it's not about what's straight up not intended but what unbalances the meta game. DTGing balances the meta game in the same way that center block does. What made this game fun for so long for so many of us, is just how unorthodox the gameplay is. I honestly don't know of anyone who played the game for 2000+ hours who just played with rockets and actually waited for them to reload the way they should. (I.E. not reloading while using pistol)

[[NH]Shadow]

Shadow, you're [m'kay] awful at Swbf2.

It's true. But I don't see how it's relevant. Keep in mind, I hardly play. And I don't play competitively. I'm that guy on your team that says "well, even though we lost, I still had fun".
P.S. how do you know whether I'm good at BF2 or not....I've never played with you before.

You can pick up your participation trophy at the front desk.

I'm not that bad...I just enjoy stuff, instead of complaining about losing.
Participation trophies are for losers.

[Hannibal]

A cheat is a cheat anyway you look at it. Just stop making excuses. Not directed at you only Hanny.

Defining this is plain black and white terms seems like such a cop out.

[Draigun]

Engineer was actually designed to throw dets, as inspection of the source code for the class and weapon validates this. Therefore, engineer is truly what you claim a 'legit class', LandBeaver. Detrushing is not a bug, glitch or exploit. It's simply using TK-off to the players advantage. Therefore any negative opinions are simply stemming from player frustration, and is not an issue with the game.


The Dark Trooper is a 'legit class', but only when you use it without relying on DTG. I agree with Panama completely on this matter; those who resort to using DTG and claim it's there to use to your advantage are rationalizing the false truth of the game mechanics that they believe in. DTG was never meant to be in the game, and it has been proven that there is code in the game that does said glitch. In numerous testing {VA} has done, it was concluded that DTG is actually more than just a single bug; it is actually a global shot-delay bug that affects more than just the dark trooper class. In fact, it affects anything with a shot delay value attached to a property in the game. The code that we've patched is the cause of the bug, and consequently, was expunged from gameplay in our patch.

Those willfully accepting the fact that DTG is part of the game are fools, and more so for endorsing the use of a bug. Sure, Mandalore makes decent points that it helps to balance the seemingly horrible gameplay mechanics, but unlike CB, premature shots are a bug in the game. CB is an intended mechanic of the game. Think about it, it's common sense: block is suppose to block, right? What we see in the game is block that only works when you use CB. This is due to LucasArts pushing the devs for a rushed release, so as a result, yielded poor coding in the game engine. Unfortunately, some consider CB as a bug, when it shouldn't be. However, CB shouldn't provide 360 degrees of protection from all saber attacks. With that being said, I think we can all come to an agreement that that shouldn't be part of the blocking mechanism.


No matter how hard try hards try (no pun intended) to justify the use of DTG or any shot delay bug, they are abusing the game and they even go to the extent of ridiculing those who defy their 'ultra-secret tactic' of DTGing.

[Col. Hstar]

+1 Draigun

Also look at it this way. The game designers put a recharge pause into the Darkies Bolt Caster, why would they purposely take the recharge away when a player roles or jumps their character? That makes no sense, it was obviously an unintended oversight which is what a glitch is. A designer doesn't put a wall in the cantina and then intentionally leave a crack that a rolling character can get through to go behind the wall. That's an unintended glitch just like double shock is a glitch.

Darkies already have a one up on wookies because they have a jet pack. Kamino is a prime example where the dark troopers are given a clear advantage, but that's the game, until it's compounded with DTG players who double shock every unit, not just the wookies.