CommanderOtto wrote:ProfessorDreadNaught wrote:11_Panama_ wrote:The truth is, we would of done the same thing. Where ever we have a base, and there is civil unrest.. we would be there protecting our assets. So I guess I can see where they're coming from.
Seriously? Please, site an instance in modern times (post WWII) when a U.S. base on foreign soil, after the host country asked/told the U.S. to leave, we then sent additional troops into sovereign territory to seize key logistic points in the region.
invasion of Panama 1989.
Key logistic point: panama canal.
even if it was good to get rid of manuel noriega, the U.S does the same things sometimes. I don't think there was a u.s base over there at the time, but Pan is not totally wrong.
No sir. The U.S. did NOT invade a country to keep its military base there. While the Panama Canal was a logistic point, it was under lease and already operated by the U.S. both before and after the invasion. There had not been a threat to kick the U.S. out.
You guys want to THINK the U.S. does the same things, but this is an especially egregious case of geo-political imperialism not seen since the invasion of Hungary in 1956. More importantly, its a reversion to Soviet style satellite state control; A Cold War we fought and already won.
er is that many Russians honestly view the Ukraine as part of the core Russian nation. Ukraine has never been independent outside of a few decades since roughly the 13th century. Honestly, the Soviets kind of shot themselves in the foot with how they drew up the governance of the different USSR territories. The population has a plurality of "ethnic Russians" but the ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars are almost the same size and both vehemently hate Russian authority (in general). I don't think it will come to open war since that is something neither side desires given how costly war is in this modern age. Imo, it will go back to the status quo after it's all said and done. While it might not sit well with the populace, the naval base at Sevastopol is a huge bargaining chip for the Ukraine in future negotiations. Russia couldn't hold onto the Ukraine if it for whatever reason decided to directly annex it, it would be Chechnya x 100. Also, as much as Russia tries to act like it's once again the mighty bear...frankly it's a bear who carries deep scars and still has some wounds that are healing. It's economic growth in the past decade has been almost exclusively been driven by its oil resources. An embargo by the EU might actually trigger the crisis they went through in the 90s, nasty stuff.
