Why MT doesn't believe in this.

[THEWULFMAN]

I guess I partially base my evidence of souls existing on things that have only happened to me and thus I can't prove.

If you see a rainbow and no one else does, and no pictures were taken, how do you prove you saw a rainbow? That's the best analogy I can think of.

I believe in God and Christ because despite how immeasurably flawed it is, the bible was trying to tell us something. I mentioned earlier that I pretty much only believe a couple things from the bible as fasts. God exists and his son is Jesus. I believe in God and Christ because my mom does and her experiences, and I trust her(but not blindly). I believe in God and Christ because I don't see how everything is this particular universe was entirely chance. Specifically there are certain things that can't be explained and will never be explained. What caused the big bang? Why does this universe even exist? Where did all this er come from? Other universes? Why do things follow such strict laws of physics? Is this the only universe? I doubt it.

Beyond the creation of the universe, I'm more than willing to believe the creation of our Earth and its life was all chance. I'm of the belief that life is abundant in the universe. Earth isn't unique. This has no base in facts or evidence, it's a belief. I'm hoping I live long enough to see life discovered elsewhere than Earth. We're getting closer all the time. On a related note, I freaking love the Kepler.

One of the many random ideas I've had is that God is just a species that has evolved unfathomably, likely using immense stores of knowledge. Maybe he/she/it evolved during the last Universe? Maybe it's a continuing cycle of universes and there always has to be a God figure to restart the process? Maybe the original universe was chance.

Also, I'm guessing God is actually a collective of knowledge and personalities, which also gives it it's intelligence(and would also explain the ego). I think "it" would be best to use as the pronoun as it is likely there are both male and female consciousnesses in God's consolidated mind. Jesus is now likely part of God's consciousness. It's possible you become part of God's cumulative mind when you die. Maybe that's what Heaven is, being in the compiled minds of millions and billions of minds. You'd never be alone that's for sure. These are just all ideas I've had when I've thought about the universe we live in. Lots of maybes. I don't believe any of it per se, I just am open to the idea. I like ideas. They're probably pretty stupid though.

The reason I believe in God is not because I don't like the alternative. I actually don't care either way. I just believe what is to me the truth. I could be wrong. But I can't prove I'm wrong yet. So I'm going to stick to what I believe until I do. I can see where the Colonel is coming from, except I can't appreciate his lack of a correct understanding of the facts. You can't "interpret" facts, you either understand them or you don't.

[WD-40]

IAlso, I'm guessing God is actually a collective of knowledge and personalities,

Like 'The Borg'?

[haasd0gg]

I still love the misfits and I used to big a big Danzig fan (back in my dark early days of high school).
In the Danzig video he talks about the lost books of the bible and the books of Eden. Apparently Jesus offed a few people that he didn't like when he was a kid. One boy who ran faster than him and I forget the others.
If y'all are bible folks you should catch up on the lesser published stuff too. It may give you a whole new outlook

[Bryant]

I still love the misfits and I used to big a big Danzig fan (back in my dark early days of high school).
In the Danzig video he talks about the lost books of the bible and the books of Eden. Apparently Jesus offed a few people that he didn't like when he was a kid. One boy who ran faster than him and I forget the others.
If y'all are bible folks you should catch up on the lesser published stuff too. It may give you a whole new outlook

The aren't "lost" books. Lost implies that they went missing or were forgotten - those books were known but not included because they did not meet the criteria required to be compiled into the Bible. In most cases those books are written much later then the others and claim to be from authors that never wrote them. They also are not compatible with books that possess great authority.

It would be like if you wrote a book, and then started calling it lost and claim it to be valid.

[THEWULFMAN]

IAlso, I'm guessing God is actually a collective of knowledge and personalities,

Like 'The Borg'?

Minus the evil assimilation intentions and implants, sorta.

[Col. Hstar]

That's why I said "Pick a better wording if you prefer." Pick any wording that you like that doesn't have the side effect of being easily interpreted as encouraging murder. Swap that in. Now you have an improved Bible. "Improvable" and "perfect" are mutually contradictory.

No it's not improved because your changing the historical portion. Again the Bible is not to blame for the actions of misguided humans. Stop shifting the blame from humans to God to suit your argument.

You seem to think that "scientific facts" are much more mutable and interpretable than they really are. If two plus two equals four, then it cannot equal five. This is not open for interpretation. If there is only so much water on Earth, more water cannot magically appear and then vanish. This is not open for interpretation. If there are none of the things we would expect to see if civilizations worldwide were eradicated by the same massive flood, then there is no evidence for it. This is not open for interpretation.

Your wrong, that facts are not open to interpretation, but the conclusion you draw from it is. Your proof says there was not enough water but the bible says

In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened

According to Donald Patten in - The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch

With the sudden opening of the ‘springs of the watery deep’ and “the floodgates of the heavens,” untold billions of tons of water deluged the earth. This may have caused tremendous changes in earth’s surface. The earth’s crust is relatively thin (estimated at between 30 km [20 mi] and 160 km [100 mi] thick), stretched over a rather plastic mass thousands of kilometers in diameter. Hence, under the added weight of the water, there was likely a great shifting in the crust. In time new mountains evidently were thrust upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were deepened, and new shorelines were established, with the result that now about 70 percent of the surface is covered with water. This shifting in the earth’s crust may account for many geologic phenomena, such as the raising of old coastlines to new heights. It has been estimated by some that water pressures alone were equal to “2 tons per square inch,” sufficient to fossilize fauna and flora quickly.

It is this scientific theory that allow me to include the flood in my beliefs. You might conclude to dismiss it as wrong or inaccurate but that's your conclusion. Your proof is based on the earth as it appears now, but you don't know what the landscape was more then 4000 years ago that would be conjecture. This means the conclusion you base on evidence is up for interpretation.

@Narg - As a side note, look to your right side of the screen, do you see my screen name? Do you see my avatar image? Look below, do you see my signature line? They're pretty unique and hard to mistake for anyone else. Feel free to continue scrolling down when ever you see it if you don't like what I have to say. No one is holding a gun to your head saying you must read them. If you want to move on to another subject be my guest, I'll still comment the things that are directed to me. So just continue scrolling or shut your trap.
BTW So sorry if that caused you any mental distress or harm.

[THEWULFMAN]

It is this scientific theory that allow me to include the flood in my beliefs. You might conclude to dismiss it as wrong or inaccurate but that's your conclusion. Your proof is based on the earth as it appears now, but you don't know what the landscape was more then 4000 years ago that would be conjecture. This means the conclusion you base on evidence is up for interpretation.

Uh...

We do know what the Earth was like several thousand years ago. It certainly didn't change that much. Our proof is not just based on what the Earth is like now.

Fossil records disprove The Flood in and of itself. Where is this massive extinction in the record that we should have? It's not there because it didn't happen.

Oh, and there's simply no way most of these species didn't die out. You can't tell me that every single one of these animals happily mated with their respective partners, and then those children lived to be adults. The carnivores would have died out nearly immediately because there's no meat for them to eat. The amount of prey would have been insufficient to sustain them, and would have ended up killing off a lot of herbivore species as well as they ate the few that were left. It would have been death, and chaos. Herbivores would have starved to death as well, the flooding would have killed all the plants.

Oh yeah, and after this point, every single human alive now is a direct descendant of Noah and his wife? How the hell does that work? Inbreeding humans causes genetic abnormalities, meaning deformities. Humans would have died out too.

There is simply no way The Flood happened. It's completely impossible. Not to the exact scale the Bible tells us at least.

[Col. Hstar]

There is simply no way The Flood happened. It's completely impossible. Not to the exact scale the Bible tells us at least.

I hate to say it like this, I know it's going to drive Narg up the wall, but again that's the conclusion you draw based on your point of view
From the same book before -

Remains of mammoths and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth. Some of these were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in Siberian and Alaskan ice. In fact, some were found with food undigested in their stomachs or still unchewed in their teeth, indicating that they died suddenly. It is estimated, from the trade in ivory tusks, that bones of tens of thousands of such mammoths have been found. The fossil remains of many other animals, such as lions, tigers, bears, and elk, have been found in common strata, which may indicate that all of these were destroyed simultaneously. Some have pointed to such finds as definite physical proof of a rapid change in climate and sudden destruction caused by a universal flood. Others, however, favor explanations for the death of these animals that do not involve an earth-wide catastrophe.

This shows that there is 2 ways to interpret the evidence. Your's might be right, and mine might be right. But it is not a cut and dry issue.

As far as Mankind coming from Noah and his sons. Back then humans were closer to the state of perfection that Adam and Eve enjoyed. The Bible says that humans back then lived for 100s of years, Shem Noah's son lived for 400. Being closer to a state of perfection meant they did not suffer the ill effects of cousins marrying cousins.

[THEWULFMAN]

Is it my point of view that Sol rises and sets each day on the Equator, every day of the year? Or is there some other way to interpret the big glowy thing rising up 365 days a year.

It's not my point of view. It's fact. There's a massive difference. You didn't address half of what I had to say. Fine, you came up with a bullcrap excuse for why humans didn't end up inbred idiots and/or extinct, you haven't explained where all the surviving animals got their food. I'm including humans under the animals category. We have to eat too. Don't' you dare tell me we could go long periods of time without food because we were so much better back then(hint, that's not possible due to our biology). That claim will cause me to abandon all hope for you coming to the correct understanding.

Even if we weren't inbred deformed idiots, we still had to eat. Eat one of your two cows? You doomed cows to extinction. Where did they even get all the food needed to sustain the animals for those 40 days? That's never explained. Hay and stuff for the herbivores sure, but what about the carnivores?

[haasd0gg]

Look man, Danzig said.
I'm just sayin