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Re: Decision 2012

Postby (=DK=)Samonuh » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:18 pm

Duel of Fates wrote:
Infide| wrote:THANK YOU. I listened to something that president Bill Clinton said on a televised speech. He said: "You people are complaining about the President not being able to do all of these things yet? I can tell you, no president can do all those things: Fix a deficit, end a war, make millions of new jobs in 4 Years. It's no where near enough time. So give him a chance and met him do it in 2 terms."
Food for thought.


After FDR, we put term limits in place for a reason.

To be fair, he was elected 4 terms mainly because changing a President in crisis/wartime generally doesn't go well, and the depression and WW2 bled together.
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby CacophonousFlatulence » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:39 am

FDR's presidency was a "disaster?" Huh.

And personally, I'm not a fan of multiple parties. For all the criticisms/cliches of DC political gridlock, you have no idea of the meaning of the word until you deal with parliamentary systems that have to wrangle multiple parties. The U.S. system has, for the most part, always been a two party system, though those parties (or at least the significant platforms of the parties) have changed drastically over time. What we end up having is what is often known as an "umbrella system," wherein the two major parties are actually the end result of a huge array of opinions and ideas. On the surface one would think that having many parties would be better for fostering this, but think about the epic battles for compromise that would be nigh impossible because you're simply trying to appease too many different people. Regardless of people thinking that's what they want, that's simply not a system to have an efficient government, especially for a country of this size. The umbrella system forces the major parties to change or die when "third parties" start gaining traction nationally. Is it perfect? Heck no, but given we're talking about a country as huge as the U.S. I sure as hell don't want a parliamentary-style Legislative branch.
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby (=DK=)Samonuh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:57 am

CacophonousFlatulence wrote:FDR's presidency was a "disaster?" Huh.

And personally, I'm not a fan of multiple parties. For all the criticisms/cliches of DC political gridlock, you have no idea of the meaning of the word until you deal with parliamentary systems that have to wrangle multiple parties. The U.S. system has, for the most part, always been a two party system, though those parties (or at least the significant platforms of the parties) have changed drastically over time. What we end up having is what is often known as an "umbrella system," wherein the two major parties are actually the end result of a huge array of opinions and ideas. On the surface one would think that having many parties would be better for fostering this, but think about the epic battles for compromise that would be nigh impossible because you're simply trying to appease too many different people. Regardless of people thinking that's what they want, that's simply not a system to have an efficient government, especially for a country of this size. The umbrella system forces the major parties to change or die when "third parties" start gaining traction nationally. Is it perfect? Heck no, but given we're talking about a country as huge as the U.S. I sure as hell don't want a parliamentary-style Legislative branch.

I wouldn't mind a two-party system if one were remotely appealing. Democrats are fine on social issues, but are fiscally irresponsible. Republicans claim they are fiscally conservative, but they are against civil liberties. It's lose-lose. If our two-party system involved Green vs. Libertarian, I'd be completely fine...
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby Richdog » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:58 am

How about, even though I have very strong political views, I don't discuss them because 3/4 of the people on this forum are either too young to vote, too illiterate to vote (yes I mean they aren't even smart enough to read the name on the ballot) or aren't citizens, and the other 1/4 has already made up their minds. Such a waste of time arguing with people and trying to sound smart or win arguments on internet forums...
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby (=DK=)Samonuh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:34 pm

Richdog wrote:How about, even though I have very strong political views, I don't discuss them because 3/4 of the people on this forum are either too young to vote, too illiterate to vote (yes I mean they aren't even smart enough to read the name on the ballot) or aren't citizens, and the other 1/4 has already made up their minds. Such a waste of time arguing with people and trying to sound smart or win arguments on internet forums...

I don't think there's anything wrong with healthy debate. None of us were being caustic toward each other; we were stating our minds in a civilized manner. Even if I know who I'm voting for, I still enjoy hearing the opinions of Obama/Romney supporters.
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby CacophonousFlatulence » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:21 pm

(=DK=)Samonuh wrote:
CacophonousFlatulence wrote:FDR's presidency was a "disaster?" Huh.

And personally, I'm not a fan of multiple parties. For all the criticisms/cliches of DC political gridlock, you have no idea of the meaning of the word until you deal with parliamentary systems that have to wrangle multiple parties. The U.S. system has, for the most part, always been a two party system, though those parties (or at least the significant platforms of the parties) have changed drastically over time. What we end up having is what is often known as an "umbrella system," wherein the two major parties are actually the end result of a huge array of opinions and ideas. On the surface one would think that having many parties would be better for fostering this, but think about the epic battles for compromise that would be nigh impossible because you're simply trying to appease too many different people. Regardless of people thinking that's what they want, that's simply not a system to have an efficient government, especially for a country of this size. The umbrella system forces the major parties to change or die when "third parties" start gaining traction nationally. Is it perfect? Heck no, but given we're talking about a country as huge as the U.S. I sure as hell don't want a parliamentary-style Legislative branch.

I wouldn't mind a two-party system if one were remotely appealing. Democrats are fine on social issues, but are fiscally irresponsible. Republicans claim they are fiscally conservative, but they are against civil liberties. It's lose-lose. If our two-party system involved Green vs. Libertarian, I'd be completely fine...


But that's how the umbrella system works; Libertarian and Green ideals represent more extreme ends of the spectrum, but the national popularity of some of their platforms does influence how the Big Two operate.
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby NiteRunner81 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:16 pm

(=DK=)Samonuh wrote:Gary Johnson 2012.

Already submitted my absentee ballot. Yea.


One of my fellow alumni's name is Gary Johnson and I would so vote for him!!!
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby FaiL.? » Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:42 pm

Richdog wrote:How about, even though I have very strong political views, I don't discuss them because 3/4 of the people on this forum are either too young to vote, too illiterate to vote (yes I mean they aren't even smart enough to read the name on the ballot) or aren't citizens, and the other 1/4 has already made up their minds. Such a waste of time arguing with people and trying to sound smart or win arguments on internet forums...

Very true, Good point.
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Re: Decision 2012

Postby (=DK=)Samonuh » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:17 am

NiteRunner81 wrote:
(=DK=)Samonuh wrote:Gary Johnson 2012.

Already submitted my absentee ballot. Yea.


One of my fellow alumni's name is Gary Johnson and I would so vote for him!!!

University of New Mexico? Heh...
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