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[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

I wouldn't exactly be calling ME ignorant...you're the one who said that Israel has committed as many humanitarian violations as Hamas...which is blatantly false.
Israel may be a fine, upstanding nation. An ardent supporter of western ideals and beacon of hope provided unto all the Jewish, though the government and military have perpetrated numerous acts of violence and oppression. Obviously, Judaism in Israel is not used to persecute residents as acutely as Islam is used (it is not itself evil, mind you) to suppress those in many parts of the Middle East, but Israel is a Theocracy. Every Jew is granted the right to Israeli citizenship, while dissidents are not granted that opportunity - Muslims fleeing persecution from neighbouring countries - and the courts abide by Jewish law. While I do not criticise Israel solely for this, the government is intolerant and the military ruthless.

However, I will clarify---my problem with Islam isn't really the historical contributions of its culture. TBH, they are kinda irrelevant 1000 years later. Wow, "contributions are irrelevant a thousand years later." You know how blatantly stupid that sounds!? If the Brits did not colonise the Americas 400 years ago, the world would not be the same, would it? As a side point though, many of the contributions of Islamic culture from that time period were actually made by Jews and Christians living within their borders---not Muslims. What idiocy!? What about all the Muslim doctors and scientists. You know how foolish you sound? Now that there are practically no more Jews and Christians living in Muslim countries due to persecution That is true, not because of Islam itself, however, but because leaders use it to persecute., it makes sense that Islam's contributions have come to a complete halt Wow, just wow. .

What you said about Islam is true. For a while, the Jews and Christians were far greater enemies than the Jews and Muslims. This true up until the beginning of the 20th century; after which, animosity between Christians and Jews largely subsided. Again, nonsense. The "buddy" Judeo-Christian ideals nonsense is only prevalent in the US, Europeans are much more divided.

In the last 50 years or so, the world has seen an incredible trend in globalization. Hmm...yes...go on.WIth the communication revolution of cell phones and internet and other stuff, every culture of the world has been brought into direct contact with every other. Definitely! Continue, please.The fact of the er is though---there is no major religion like Islam which advocates world domination and abusive treatment of women. Again, complete and utter nonsense! The religion does not "advocate" such treatment. It is the leaders who controlled/control the countries who have used religion (like the Pope and like King Henry VIII) to persecute others or to further their own interests.

I'll bet you didn't know this, but polygamy (however disgusting and cruel it is) was instituted to protect women. And before you start cracking your fingers to prepare another nonsensical response, read on. You see, during the crusades, thousands of Muslim (and Christian) men died, leaving many women unmarried. In that time, a woman could make nothing of herself if she was not married (this was the case anywhere, not just the Middle East), and rather than uproot an age-old system, Mohammed convinced men to take more than one wife, to protect them. Obviously, the system has been abused beyond belief, and corrupted from its once true intentions, but you must know the history. It does affect the present, or, at the very least, your perception of the present.

Christianity, Judaism, and other religions certainly have their shortcomings, but Islam is intrinsically different in its attitude toward those outside the faith.

[kjeopardy]

I wouldn't exactly be calling ME ignorant...you're the one who said that Israel has committed as many humanitarian violations as Hamas...which is blatantly false.
Israel may be a fine, upstanding nation. An ardent supporter of western ideals and beacon of hope provided unto all the Jewish, though the government and military have perpetrated numerous acts of violence and oppression. Obviously, Judaism in Israel is not used to persecute residents as acutely as Islam is used (it is not itself evil, mind you) to suppress those in many parts of the Middle East, but Israel is a Theocracy. Every Jew is granted the right to Israeli citizenship, while dissidents are not granted that opportunity - Muslims fleeing persecution from neighbouring countries - and the courts abide by Jewish law. While I do not criticise Israel solely for this, the government is intolerant and the military ruthless.

However, I will clarify---my problem with Islam isn't really the historical contributions of its culture. TBH, they are kinda irrelevant 1000 years later. Wow, "contributions are irrelevant a thousand years later." You know how blatantly stupid that sounds!? If the Brits did not colonise the Americas 400 years ago, the world would not be the same, would it? As a side point though, many of the contributions of Islamic culture from that time period were actually made by Jews and Christians living within their borders---not Muslims. What idiocy!? What about all the Muslim doctors and scientists. You know how foolish you sound? Now that there are practically no more Jews and Christians living in Muslim countries due to persecution That is true, not because of Islam itself, however, but because leaders use it to persecute., it makes sense that Islam's contributions have come to a complete halt Wow, just wow. .

What you said about Islam is true. For a while, the Jews and Christians were far greater enemies than the Jews and Muslims. This true up until the beginning of the 20th century; after which, animosity between Christians and Jews largely subsided. Again, nonsense. The "buddy" Judeo-Christian ideals nonsense is only prevalent in the US, Europeans are much more divided.

In the last 50 years or so, the world has seen an incredible trend in globalization. Hmm...yes...go on.WIth the communication revolution of cell phones and internet and other stuff, every culture of the world has been brought into direct contact with every other. Definitely! Continue, please.The fact of the er is though---there is no major religion like Islam which advocates world domination and abusive treatment of women. Again, complete and utter nonsense! The religion does not "advocate" such treatment. It is the leaders who controlled/control the countries who have used religion (like the Pope and like King Henry VIII) to persecute others or to further their own interests.

I'll bet you didn't know this, but polygamy (however disgusting and cruel it is) was instituted to protect women. And before you start cracking your fingers to prepare another nonsensical response, read on. You see, during the crusades, thousands of Muslim (and Christian) men died, leaving many women unmarried. In that time, a woman could make nothing of herself if she was not married (this was the case anywhere, not just the Middle East), and rather than uproot an age-old system, Mohammed convinced men to take more than one wife, to protect them. Obviously, the system has been abused beyond belief, and corrupted from its once true intentions, but you must know the history. It does affect the present, or, at the very least, your perception of the present.

Christianity, Judaism, and other religions certainly have their shortcomings, but Islam is intrinsically different in its attitude toward those outside the faith.

I'm not gonna bother arguing with you anymore. The military of Israel is not ruthless nor oppressive---it is defending the most precariously positioned country in the world. If it were so oppressive, it would be invading Gaza instead of agreeing to a ceasefire...

Clearly you don't know anything about the religion of Islam; I do!! I have read part of the Koran and done research on what it says. It does establish that women are inferior, and does say that those who do not accept Mohammed's being the prophet of Allah should be put death horribly. I'm not going to go into the graphic death that the Koran prescribes for much of the world. Granted---this mainly applies to polytheists, but Muslims view Christians as polytheists (for obvious reasons)...

[haasd0gg]

Why is polygamy disgusting and cruel?... oh you mean the Muslim practice is abusive and cruel? Plenty of Christians enter into it willingly in America.
Sometimes they own hardware stores and fight evil polygamists and one time... wait that's a show... whatever...

[kjeopardy]

Why is polygamy disgusting and cruel?... oh you mean the Muslim practice is abusive and cruel? Plenty of Christians enter into it willingly in America.
Sometimes they own hardware stores and fight evil polygamists and one time... wait that's a show... whatever...

lol Who cares about polygamy... I didn't even bring it up.

Plenty of religions practice it, it's not unique to Islam. I didn't raise it as an example of Islam's abusive treatment of women.

[WD-40]

We live in a world of touchcy, feely kiss-ass pussies!...Ohh! I'm sorry! Did I say that out loud??

We live in a world of touchcy, feely kiss-ass pussies!...

Let us roll over and play dead, so we shall not insult those who would take offense against the rights of those who would see us all dead!... rather they kill us all anyway for our very existense which is offensive to the Muslim world!

[kjeopardy]

We live in a world of touchcy, feely kiss-ass pussies!...Ohh! I'm sorry! Did I say that out loud??

We live in a world of touchcy, feely kiss-ass pussies!...

Let us roll over and play dead, so we shall not insult those who would take offense, rather they kill us all anyway for our very existense which is offensive to the Muslim world! [m'kay] you all who take offense!

Well said...Rock on WD

[m'kay] to the apologists...

[WD-40]

No prob. You were quick...Debated on the additional insult. But hey...It's politics, and I'm sick of this self-righteous, higher than thou shiiiit!

I can't even get Crater to answer a simple question, but NOOOOOOOOOO...he's gotta act like the a-holes in Congress and over-analyze a simple question! No wonder the US is fast becoming the newest Mexico/Greece, and on a fast track to [m'kay]. I'm so disgusted with the pussies in power! We need our 'Fore-Fathers' back! NOW!!!

[Darth Crater]

See, I was trying to properly answer your question. That's why I asked for clarification. However, I am now lacking any reason to bother. I'll just say that the options are roughly equal - it's like deciding whether to get punched in the face or groin.

[CommanderOtto]

that's why I don't like getting into this type of conversation. You ask people to not say certain things and they call you appologists. I just wanted to make sure someone in here would not get hurt.

and i'm not a pussy because I keep my opinion to myself instead of writing it down in a forum that is visited by hundreds of people. I am just being prudent wd. But if one day you come to my house and have a beer with me I would gladly tell you what I think with all honesty (when I have my own house lol). I remembe I once told the classroom what I thought about a delicate subject and everyone flamed me so hard.... I was labeled as a racist and such...Therefore, I am not putting what I think in these forums and I hope you understand what I mean. but just to give you some insight into what I think (and to answer your question to crater): I prefer a christian world.

ah if only we could say what we really think about something.....

[kjeopardy]

that's why I don't like getting into this type of conversation. You ask people to not say certain things and they call you appologists. I just wanted to make sure someone in here would not get hurt.

and i'm not a pussy because I keep my opinion to myself instead of writing it down in a forum that is visited by hundreds of people. I am just being prudent wd. But if one day you come to my house and have a beer with me I would gladly tell you what I think with all honesty (when I have my own house lol). I remembe I once told the classroom what I thought about a delicate subject and everyone flamed me so hard.... I was labeled as a racist and such...Therefore, I am not putting what I think in these forums. but just to give you some insight into what I think (and to answer your question to crater): I prefer a christian world.

ah if only we could say what we really think about something.....

Good. You aren't a lost cause lol...and just so you know: when someone starts calling you a racist, it means that they have no argument left.

Take someone calling you a racist as a good sign: it means you won!