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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby Col. Hstar » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:14 pm

MATTHEW'S_DAD wrote:So why build a car that exceeds the speed limit? Why have a 64oz Big Gulp? Let's also ban 99% of knives, all tobacco products and candy.


Sometimes a person needs to drive the car fast. In an emergency situation like getting someone to the hospital. As I said it takes responsibility, and also as I said, speeding is not the only function of a car. Do you use an AK-47 to shoot just one bullet at a time?

99% of all knives is an exaggeration and again knives are have other uses, steak knife, utility knife, butter knife, I could go on.

Tobacco I agree should be banned

The 64 oz big gulp, I'll give you that one. I've seeing the massacres that have occurred by someone spilling soda in my car while speeding down the highway :lol:

Funny though, you didn't answer my question. Can you not think of any other use of an AK-47.
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby Son » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:20 pm

Col. Homestar wrote:
Funny though, you didn't answer my question. Can you not think of any other use of an AK-47.


Why do some people play video games, lasertag or paintball?

Its fun.

Here is a question for you. What would you say to not banning these weapons but having tight measures to purchase them. extensive background checks both for criminal background but also a mental evaluation?
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby (SWGO)Kren » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:23 pm

I would think of an assault weapon of a something that has a large magazine capacity, have the ability to discharge multiple rounds in a short period of time i.e. in a semi automatic fashion and which is akin to a military style weapon of similar nature which can be customised or modfied.

I don't know if this is right/wrong..but you asked for a definition.

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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby Col. Hstar » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:38 pm

Son wrote:
Col. Homestar wrote:
Funny though, you didn't answer my question. Can you not think of any other use of an AK-47.


Why do some people play video games, lasertag or paintball?

Its fun.

Here is a question for you. What would you say to not banning these weapons but having tight measures to purchase them. extensive background checks both for criminal background but also a mental evaluation?


I would say its better then what we have now. Anything is really better. Look at it this way, I work on cars, painting and fixing them. In California I had to go through a week of safety training just to be allowed to spray and use the chemicals I work with, yet I can go to the nearest Walmart and buy an assult rifle in a couple hours despite having never fired or touched a gun.
I would also say that those types of find should only be allowed to be used in firing ranges and controlled environments. Just like I'd have to go up to sears point if I wanted to race my car around at high speeds. Also those checks should be repeated every few years. It makes sense to insist that we renew a drivers license, so gun licenses should need to be renewed as well
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby MATTHEW'S_DAD » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:02 pm

(SWGO)SirPepsi wrote:
MATTHEW'S_DAD wrote:The media has latched on to this term to sway the general population into whatever direction they want you to go in. In all honesty, the ban on full autos, stinger missiles, tanks, sawed off shotguns, etc is ALREADY an infringement on the 2nd amendment. But, we as a population decided that we were ok with that and allowed our rights to be chiseled away and the people at that time (80 years ago) never thought that their grand kids would be having a discussion about semi auto's and possibly banning them and limiting magazine capacity. So let's say we ban "Glock's", then what? What will our kids or grand kids be fighting for 30-40 years from now? Or possibly sooner? I honestly wish the gun rights talking heads would dig in and push back to repeal the 1934 NFA.

If we ban "assault weapons", we might as well ban unicorns and Narg posting niceties to newcomers.


To return to the beginning of the topic, I define an assault weapon as any high caliber rifle with the ability to shoot over 25 rounds successively.
Again, we have too much gray area and leave ourselves open for poor interpretation down the road.

(SWGO)SirPepsi wrote:Now, to address what you have stated. You see nothing wrong with the citizenry being able to purchase stinger missiles or tanks? I can understand how you feel about the 2nd Amendment, a treasured component of our Constitution, to be sure, but that not excuse advocating reckless behaviour. The 2nd Amendment was written in a time where a successful coup, overthrowing the government, was not too unlikely a possibility. Jefferson and many others believed that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing," but in this day and age, when instability is rife, the legitimacy of our government is not at stake. You are free to petition the government on your behalf, but any allusion to "taking up arms to keep our government in check," may very well seem reasonable to you but seems deliriously misguided in my eyes. As sentient beings, violence is not the method we should employ to achieving our goals or furthering our interests.

The problem is is that I don't need a reason to own these weapons. If I want to own them because they make me happy or because I'm paranoid or whatever, it doesn't matter, the right for me to own them is there. To me, if you want to remove that right then you need to remove the 2nd amendment.
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby WD-40 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:14 pm

Literally, anything that can 'kill' can be considered an 'assault weapon' if used in that manner. I agree, that the term is misused by Congressional members and pundits. They need to be more specific. And if there is some so-called 'Law' passed (that no past, present, or future murderer will obey anyway) that attacks 2nd Amendment rights, then it needs to be put to a National Vote. Come what may from that, but some Law originating from the White House won't hold water. Already there are Sheriffs all over the U.S. lining up against supporting any such Law.
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby MATTHEW'S_DAD » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:37 pm

Col. Homestar wrote:
MATTHEW'S_DAD wrote:So why build a car that exceeds the speed limit? Why have a 64oz Big Gulp? Let's also ban 99% of knives, all tobacco products and candy.


Sometimes a person needs to drive the car fast. In an emergency situation like getting someone to the hospital. As I said it takes responsibility, and also as I said, speeding is not the only function of a car. Do you use an AK-47 to shoot just one bullet at a time?

An AK47 sold here legally in the States only shoots one at a time. I really don't think you understand the weapons we're talking about...no offense.

Col. Homestar wrote:Can you not think of any other use of an AK-47.


I sure can, it's called "exercising my 2nd Amendment Right".
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby Col. Hstar » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:55 pm

No offense taken. I don't know guns but maybe I am not making my self clear. An AK-47 has a faster rate of fire and carries a high amount of ammunition. My point is, that you don't buy an AK-47 and use it like a hand gun. You knowing guns obviously know the difference from a Colt 45 and an AK-47 so let's not split hairs.

You're asking us to define an assult weapon because you want to claim that any item can be considered an assult weapon. My definition is any item that has one purpose and that purpose being soley to kill quick and efficiently is an assult weapon. Yeah I know it's your "2nd amendment right" but that's not a use its a justification, and the fact that you're not part of a well regulated milita makes that claim more a stretch then a justification.

I have no doubt that you are a very responsible competent adult who knows how to handle a weapon like an AK-47 but do you honestly think that anyone who can pass the background check is equally responsible and competent? I don't.
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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby WD-40 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:01 pm

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Re: Define "assault weapon"

Postby kjeopardy » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:47 pm

People, it has already been defined.

A pen in the hand of our president is an assault weapon.

Of what you might ask:

Spoiler: show
Our stupid and useless constitution


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