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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby CacophonousFlatulence » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:46 pm

Darth Crater wrote:
MATTHEW'S_DAD wrote:Racism is a business here in the states and without it the professional race baiters would go broke. It is in Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's best interest to promote racism and to fan the flames. It keeps the money flowing. Because of this, I give zero weight and zero credibility to anyone who claims racism anymore, chicken little syndrome. It's a two way street and traffic in both directions equaled out when we elected our first "black" president.

Except racism does still exist, institutionally. I haven't noticed it directly because I'm white, but it's still there. And not just in the deep south, either. Let me quote myself from the Paula Deen thread:
Darth Crater wrote:Before anyone calls [citation needed] on that, let me link this: http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/race_at_work.pdf . New York City, 2005. Quite an interesting read. For example, white felons apparently have more luck in the job market than blacks with clean records.


Excellent post.
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby Mandalore » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:19 pm

That study seems to be extremely, extremely simplistic. Only eight pages for something as complex as employment placement? While being as progressive as I am, even I'm going to say go get a better study to cite :P Although I'm sure the trends that the Princeton study would be confirmed by a larger study, what I would really like to see is differentiation between jobs, the normal channel up/down between jobs, breakdown by age, breakdown by education, and breakdown by region and then a further breakdown of racial demographics within that region. A larger sample pool would also be extremely coveted for a social sciences study given how complex those issues are.

To be honest, the biggest impediment that under-educated blacks have in finding jobs with customer interaction is their vernacular.
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby CacophonousFlatulence » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:36 am

You won't struggle to find a plethora of studies that show the same conclusion over and over again; groups of qualified or overqualified black applicants for things like jobs and loans are routinely passed over for less qualified white applicants. It's absurd when people cry foul over affirmative action when it's a relative drop in the bucket compared to how enormously titled the scale is in the other direction.

How about this: can someone find a comprehensive and reputably-sourced study that shows the opposite; the qualified or overqualified black applicants are typically as likely or even more likely to be chosen over white applicants?

And demerits for anyone that instead spins to the strawman of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson somehow making racism "equal." Yeah, man, we've got scores of black business owners and CEO's and property owners and so on just making it so hard for white people, don't we? They've got BET! Everything was FIXED so now THEY'RE the racist ones! Hysterical.
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby CacophonousFlatulence » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:48 am

I really should just stay out of this because it gets me too angrily too easy, so I'll just bow out with some final questions/statements....these types of threads here seemed to be filled with all kinds of fear or distrust towards black people. Why? As a whole black people have very little power in this country. There are minimal black business owners and barely anything that could be called "black corporations." Where are all of the "black banks?" Most crime committed by blacks is against other blacks because our living situations across the country have been effectively segregated since the Great Migration. Black communities have been effectively marginalized across the country, yet you'll get people here talking about nonsense like widespread riots (and when riots have broken out they've typically been contained to, you guessed it: black neighborhoods) and people fostering "revolution" like the power dynamic is any danger of crumbling.

I DO agree that people like Sharpton and Jackson effectively "profit" off of racial division, but they're just following the model. So long as middle class and lower class Americans view those in the same economic situations as being other or different or even threatening simply because of skin color then the few that hold the majority of power and money in this country will continue to use and abuse ALL of us. The average poor or middle class white American thinks they have more in common with the CEO of Bank of America than a poor or middle class black American, and that's insane.
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby haasd0gg » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:04 am

"Black communities"
"Black leaders"
Following someone else and their ideas because you have the same color skin is ridiculous.
Believe you, me, my friend, I haven't led a charmed life due to the fact I'm white.
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby WD-40 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:54 am

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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby WD-40 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:35 am

CacophonousFlatulence wrote:Most crime committed by blacks is against other blacks because our living situations across the country have been effectively segregated since the Great Migration. Black communities have been effectively marginalized across the country, yet you'll get people here talking about nonsense like widespread riots (and when riots have broken out they've typically been contained to, you guessed it: black neighborhoods) and people fostering "revolution" like the power dynamic is any danger of crumbling.

As a kid growing up in the 1970's in a Community 30 miles North of Cincinnati, I went to an all-white grade school. There were all white schools and a few all black ones, and some integrated. That was about the time the Cincinnati Public School system was making an effort to 'force' it down the throats of whites no matter where the school was located. Mine was an area of predominantly all white Christian and Jewish families.

Then one day in 1974 early in my 6th grade year, two full-buses of all black kids show up and are literally sucked into our school. That's when the big fights started. Not by whites, but because of the blacks exerting 'black power'. It was the same at my older Brothers high school. 90% of all fights were either Black on Black or at least started by a black.

Whites moved out as blacks moved in, whether it was a school, or a community. Back then, Most all white, or mostly white locals never had many problems. Just typical stuff Law Enforcement could handle, as Law Enforcement and citizens respected each other. We used to have a great community pool, fantastic 4th of July Parades, festivals, community sports, etc. once the blacks began moving in, crime increased exponentially, the pool had to close down due to black vandalism, threats, sneaking in for free, fights, etc...(Never saw a black fight his own battles...always had friends help him overwhelm the opponent). The parades got smaller, sporting teams went away, whites stopped using the basketball courts due to black threats, the tennis courts were always used as black drug hangouts...whites chased away of course. The Festivals and community clubs dried up. My grade school closed inside of 30 years of first opening its doors. I moved away in 1984 when I joined the Navy after college.

My point is, that this is an example of how black integration has literally destroyed the traditional, patriotic, safe community bond of the past, and turned it into a [poo] hole. Not all blacks have this attitude. There are families who want a good safe environment to raise their children, and are very respectable people and make great neighbors. But there are far more ass wipes that screw it all up because of poor upbringing, no parental oversight, and this gang mentality. Anyway, THAT is what I witnessed growing up in my days. Still managed to have some good black friends despite it all. :lol:

So when I see pockets of these damn black protests where destruction, vandalism, and outright lawlessness occurs, I feel no pity toward those who do this. They bring it on themselves and the [poo] neighborhoods they created.
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby WD-40 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:07 pm

Here's a great Talking Points segment from Bill O'Reilley regarding the 'Black' problems facing the Black community from last night. It's really good. :punk:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2560422134001/president-obama-and-the-race-problem-/
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Re: Zimmerman Case

Postby CommanderOtto » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:22 pm

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