Roe v. Wade (1973)

[(SWGO)SirPepsi]

Emotional arguments are perfectly fine when attempting to make a point, when justifying something. He's free to post whatever he likes, Duel, but my point in starting the thread was to discuss specifically the legal issue at stake here. When rendering a decision, according to Blackmun, "our task...is to resolve the issue by constitutional measurement, free of emotion and of predilection," and I was wondering what legitimate arguments we could come up with while debating either side of the issue; discussing the role of the 9th Amendment, precedent set by Griswold v. Connecticut, the question of the Due Process Clause of the 14th and its role in the majority's decision, etc.

[Col. Hstar]

My point was that although emotion (whenever it's used to make a valid point) can alter perspectives and provide insight into the problem, it's not going to alter the constitutionality of abortion.

Seriously you're looking at a Star Wars website for arguments that will alter the constitutionality of abortion.

You don't need to be nit picking other peoples comments simply because they don't meet the standards for your idea of what an "intellectual" exchange of ideas should be like. Just post your own comments.

BTW Your insinuation that my post is not "well worded, and articulate" kind of makes you look pompous and arrogant. Not to mention silly and naive for expecting it from (repeating myself) a StarWars game message board. I know we are all just a bunch of cavemen with keyboards to you, but really I doubt many of us sit down for hours to prepare for our next post

[NiteRunner81]

Again, I'm glad you all have uteri and think any of you have the right to have any say over what a woman does with her body.

[mrjamwin]

Sorry nite, but a baby in the womb doesn't just belong to the woman.

[Sketchup]

Again, I'm glad you all have uteri and think any of you have the right to have any say over what a woman does with her body.

Are you seriously asserting that the fetus is a part of the woman's body? Look up any scholarly article on biological human development. The fetus is a stage of human development. Adulthood is a stage of human development. If the fetus and the woman are one entity, how can they be in two different stages of development at the same time?

[NiteRunner81]

Alright.. I guess I'll express my full opinion.

I think WASTEFUL abortion is wrong, and I believe that the father of said unborn child should have a say in most circumstances. However I think NO MAN should be able to tell a woman that she MUST abort. And no parent should be able to force their daughter to abort.

By all means if the man is willing to step up, do the right thing, and support the woman during the pregnancy AND the child (with the mother or if the mother doesn't want to parent then parenting alone) then I think MORALLY the woman should consider keeping the pregnancy. I do think that men are just as capable of raising children alone as women are.

One thing most men don't consider when a woman is debating an abortion is the risk of complications during the procedure if surgical abortion is chosen. With any abortion procedure, miscarriage, and even contraception, there is the risk of harming your future fertility.

I am 100% against late term abortions since most late term children can be saved via a C-section and adopted out. A woman has the right to order hospital staff to deny any contact with the baby so that she does not get attached.

I have had the pleasure of getting to know a young lady who had to make the decision of whether or not to abort a child with a chromosomal abnormality. She chose to fight for her daughter with Turner's Syndrome.

If Adoption were more accessible to Intended Parents I would advocate to overturn Roe V. Wade with the exception of maternal health complications and suffering to the unborn (some conditions are just too torturous to let a child suffer... look up Epidermolysis Bullosa or watch The Boy Whose Skin Fell Off on youtube. Its a skin condition that eventually leads to cancer and death and pain is a daily affair with these patients. My friend Silvia has two sons with it. One is living at 16 years old and one was stillborn.)

There are just too many things that prohibit good loving parents from adopting. As Duel has been through. You can be denied if you have a relative that uses drugs or has been abusive. You can be denied if you have a perfectly manageable health condition. You can be denied if your income isn't up to what they consider is par and you are a frugal person and can stretch cents into dollars. I know lots of Intended Adopted Parents that choose to cloth diaper and Mothers that Induce Lactation to save money but alas none of that is considered.

You can say all you want about the fetus being its own person but you all forget the organ that is responsible for the life of the fetus is the placenta, which is part of the woman's body. The placenta is delivered AFTER the baby is delivered, thus it is part of the woman's body.

[Col. Hstar]

Again, I'm glad you all have uteri and think any of you have the right to have any say over what a woman does with her body.

I have to disagree with this as well. Yes any woman has a right to do whatever she wants to do to her body. But that right ceases to exist when she makes the decision to be with a man. Her right is to plan ahead BEFORE life is created. Whether it's to use protection or to practice abstinence. If you create a life your rights are now a second priority to the new life you created. And that goes for both parents.

Absolutely the father also has every obligation to support the child as well. Fathers who are careless enough to make a baby but refuse to support it should be put in jail or a community work program where all the money goes to care of the child. But if a woman has the poor judgment to be with a man who is a flake and a bum, that's not the child's fault.

Making a baby is not a contracts issue where both parties must be involved or else said contract is terminated.

And no I don't need to have a uteri to weigh in on this, it's about the baby's rights, not the woman's.

[Pootus]

America should have a special "Holacaust" Museum to present the 40,000,000 children
slaughtered in the United States.

Photos....specimens.....an in your face exhibit
of the folly of men who think they decided the truth,
and women who throw away new lives.

The only thing possible that is good news...is that these children
go right into Mary's arms...............

[WD-40]

Again, I'm glad you all have uteri and think any of you have the right to have any say over what a woman does with her body.

I have to disagree with this as well. Yes any woman has a right to do whatever she wants to do to her body. But that right ceases to exist when she makes the decision to be with a man. Her right is to plan ahead BEFORE life is created. Whether it's to use protection or to practice abstinence. If you create a life your rights are now a second priority to the new life you created. And that goes for both parents.

Absolutely the father also has every obligation to support the child as well. Fathers who are careless enough to make a baby but refuse to support it should be put in jail or a community work program where all the money goes to care of the child. But if a woman has the poor judgment to be with a man who is a flake and a bum, that's not the child's fault.

Making a baby is not a contracts issue where both parties must be involved or else said contract is terminated.

And no I don't need to have a uteri to weigh in on this, it's about the baby's rights, not the woman's.

Well said.

[Mandalore]

Again, another question out of curiosity, but where is the support for the concept that life begins at conception in Scripture?